The Black Swans Podcast recorded LIVE from the Cosmopolitan in Las Vegas at the Carson Excell Conference. In this episode hosts Suzanne Lundeen Abrams and Shana Orczyk Sissel discuss the recent challenges Shana has faced in her life and career. In this candid conversation Shana discusses her journey to launch Banrion Capital Management, what it means to be a "reluctant entrepreneur" and how she's managed to keep a positive outlook through it all!